Posted Feb 18, 2007 at 09:47AM by Chris L. Listed in: Interviews, Mods, Opinions & Analysis, FPS, Unreal Tournament 3 Tags: Epic Games, Mark Rein, PlayStation Store
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Enjoy the PC now, while you can. You won't be so alone next time. - Image 1CVG has... qualms about the idea of Unreal Tournament 3 mods for consoles. They report an interview between Epic Games Mark Rein and Team Xbox, and Mark had this to say:

  • Epic going to take PC UT mods and help devs make them available for PS3, and
  • Epic doing "something like that as well" for the Xbox 360 (In other words, repeat what was just said, replace PS3 with Xbox 360).
  • "The big thing we're excited about bringing to console are mods." In other words, Mark repeats himself.
There have been shadows of doubts among some people about PC mods working on consoles, but Epic must be firmly on board the program if its VP will say this - and repeat himself - in an interview. There, that's it. Come hell or high Locust, UT3 mods will come to PS3 and Xbox 360 until Epic says otherwise.

So why does CVG have issues? "But should the mod scene launch in earnest on console, would it really have any ramifications for the same on PC?" they ask.

CVG's hypothesis: what if mods, traditionally free on PCs, are SOLD on Marketplace and PlayStation Store with dollarmental value? (Uh-oh, we hear a groan coming from a motherboard somewhere) While microtransactions are a temptation for third-party coders, we would like to believe that it might not get to that. Hey, Epic gives its Gears of War multiplay maps on Marketplace away for free.

Now if third-party coders would like compensation for their mods console or PC, that's their business, but really, in a game with a tradition of free mods, what are the risks that these guys might rediscover the value of cha-ching, just because they get to play in PS Store and Marketplace? Why not ask the modders themselves what they think?


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   by Lachupkabra (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » Hmmm...

Community mods on the 360's Live network?

This i wanna see


   Re: ? (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » ?

you doubt it will happen?

   Re: Lachupkabra (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » ...

Its supposed to be a closed network ie. no access to the net. How is average joe gonna upload his mod?

   Re: PS34ME (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » Who said anything about console gamers uploading mods?

Seems to me that EPIC will be taking the best mods on the PC scene and bringing them to the consoles.

As Mark says "Epic going to take PC UT mods and help devs make them available for PS3..." and also to the 360!

Epic have NEVER stated that console gamers can create and upload their own mods on the PS3 or 360.

   Re: Game123 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » ^^^ Actually, those are not Mark's words but...

...the meaning is the same. :)
   by Game123 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » Here's the interview with Mark Rein on TeamXBox

http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1893/Mark-Rein-Interview/p1/

As he says, mods will be brought over from the PC to the consoles. He doesn't say anything about console gamers creating mods.

   by ssj3fox - 2007-02-18
 » So...

Consoles get a MODs folder or something? A Maybe a new way to pack MODs (like the old pak files from way back) that be transfered to consoles. I can see them letting us sell MODs. A lot of people are mad when a MOD goes commercial let alone having to pay for all MODs. That could also mean Epic might charge MOD makers like XNA or something.

   by Vietone - 2007-02-18
 » ...

Mods will have to be installable.

Anf for the Xbox360, anything installed on the Xbox360 has to be approved by microsoft first and its highly doubtful that MS will give Epic the ability to certify downloads for Xbox Live.

The difference from a PC and a console is that on a PC, you download the mod and extract it or use a built in installer.

With a console, you have to have a proper installer for the console.

The SDK for UT has always been free for modders. There would be no reason to charge for it unless a fee would be going to microsoft to run a mod downloading section thats not controlled by microsoft and open for anyone to upload mods to.

If microsoft forces people to purchase an XNA subscription for mods in UT3, the chances of anyone using mods will be slim.


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   Re: OneTwoMany (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » Get it up you fat, ugly insecure idiot

>"Mods will have to be installable.
Anf for the Xbox360, anything installed on the Xbox360 has to be approved by microsoft first and its highly doubtful that MS will give Epic the ability to certify downloads for Xbox Live."

You've said all kinds of crap about how this game couldn't be on the 360 when in was seen as a PS3 exclusive, and now everything you've said has been proven to be BS.

This is what Mark Rein says in the interview that game123 posted above;

"Mark Rein: We hope so. You know, that%u2019s why we%u2019ve been delayed so long in announcing on Xbox 360, because we were kind of busy with Gears, and it took us a while to get a really positive indication from Microsoft that, yes, we%u2019ll be able to do something like that there as well. We%u2019re excited about that.

Mods are the lifeblood of this game, and part of the reason we delayed announcing the 360 is because UT without mods is half a UT. The mod guys do such an amazing job, and this time we also want to find a way that they can sell their wares if they%u2019re good enough."

So, no problem with mods on the 360 for EPIC then, since they have announced UT3 for the 360, you know, the game you said they haven't started yet on the console.

>"If microsoft forces people to purchase an XNA subscription for mods in UT3, the chances of anyone using mods will be slim. "

Oh please, stop being so desperate and so stupid, to even think 360 gamers would require an XNA subscription just shows how dumb you are. UT3 is coming the 360, it will have everything you boasted about from the PS3 version. Grow up and live with it!

Your attempts to prove to YOURSELF that the 360 version will be crippled is just a joke. Still, at least I can enjoy laughing at your desperate attempts. :D

   Re: ONeTwoMany (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » LOL!

That should have been "Give it up..." not "Get it up..." :D

   Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » ...

Yes read the article Vietone. Mark says he has confirmation from MS. MS offers amazing support for their developers and they have already done a lot to make ensure this wasn't a PS3 exclusive. I believe MS will help Epic with whatever they envision to make the UT3 experience the best it can be on the 360. I expect no less because MS has a good relationship with Epic and they know UT3 is a big title for their system.

   Re: chinaman (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » Great

Another useless and completely idiotic post by Vietone I see (what else is new?). Like OneTwoMany said, stop trying to prove to yourself that some feature of the 360 is inferior to a comparable feature of the PS3, when in most cases it is either equal or even better. Better yet just stop posting completely because nobody cares, it's obvious you never know what the Hell you're talking about.

   Re: ABC (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » Well said OneTwoMany

>"stop being so desperate and so stupid... Grow up... Your attempts to prove to YOURSELF that the 360 version will be crippled is just a joke."

Yep - Desperate, insecure, stupid and immature - That sums up Vietone perfectly. :)

Anyway, it's great to have confirmation from Mark that mods will be coming to the console versions of UT3.

It's also interesting to finally get confirmation that user mods will not be created on the PS3 and 360, but on the PC, where Epic will help the devs to improved and polished their mods before making them available for the PS3 and 360.

Finally, thanks for providing that link to the interview Game123.

   Re: no (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » No Chance

After the huge sales of Gears of War do you seriously think they would release an inferior 360 version? NO CHANCE.

   Re: Matt (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » GoW

just outta curiosity... how does a game with clunky controlls and the horrible idea of always hiding behind something only to pop out for a second to take a couple of shots get game of the year? Yes I've played it but its not nearly as good as people make it seem. I would rate it at a high 7 out of ten because the controls take so much away from the gameplay. Also the hide and shoot idea is HORRIBLE because if you can die so easily how come they cant? The graphics are just amazing but what good are they when the gameplay just ruins the experience. Epic made a good looking game but didnt spend enough time working on the gameplay and ended up with a mediocre game that sells like hotcakes. Kinda like bush wining the election again.. unbeleivable but it still happened! On a different note, UT3, back when it was called UT2k7 was a PS3 exclusive but was recently announced not to be which only makes sense considering how well they implimented the unreal 3 engine on the 360 already.

   Re: tyrt (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » Gears Presidents ?

Well you must realize what you say about Gears is just your opinion I bet you have a PS3 game that is much better right!, why is it you think your opinion of it outweighs around 4 million 360 owners who love it? maybe its just the way you play games as I find the controls excellent.
Oh and bringing President Bush into it!, again just your opinion of him and you see again the majority have a different opinion than yours that is why he won the election again,by the way I would vote him every time.

   Re: Game123 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » OK Matt, and your point is?

"The graphics are just amazing but what good are they when the gameplay just ruins the experience"

To you perhaps (and the motives behind your post is questionable).

Show me a review that agrees with you, oh wait, there isn't one.

Here's a list of reviews for you.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages4/928234.asp

Out of OVER 100 reviews, the lowest score is 80% from only 5 reviewers, and that's still a very good score. 26 reviews gave it full marks!

Gears of War is successful in both sales and awards because it has superb gameplay to match the graphics. The fact that you don't appreciate the gameplay is irrelevant here, since this topic is not about Gears of War.

Besides, there are films, albums, books, games, TV series, music groups etc that we don't like and yet everyone else raves about as the best thing ever. That doesn't make everyone wrong Matt!

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   Re: Matt (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » Presidents and video games

Does it really matter what I say to you guys? No not at all so i give up on commenting on this site because most of you choose to disregard my points and arguments. Its really just a waste of time and this is why 360 will win over PS3 this time round, because consumers typically arn't the brightest people. I am NOT saying you guys arn't but if you look at who buys these systems they usually arn't the most informed.
Take for example the neagative attitude that EB games has towards PS3. This doesnt make sense because its more expensive and that means more revenue for the company so why would they NOT push the consumer towards the more expensive products in hope of more revenue.

   Re: PS34ME (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » *rolleyes*

"so i give up on commenting on this site because most of you choose to disregard my points and arguments"

So you don't like people disagreeing with you then? Give me a break... This is a discussion forum, not the Matt supporters club. If you can't take criticism, then perhaps it is best that you give up on this site and try to find a forum where everyone agrees with everything you say. BTW, such a forum doesn't exist.

IMO, tyrt and Game123 gave good responses to your post. Sure they didn't agree with you, but they gave their point of view without insult you or calling you names. What's wrong with that?

I really don't understand your problem Matt.
   by Shatterdome - 2007-02-18
 » Vietone...

It will be no different then any of the mappacks and such available for download now....it'd be sweet if they did incoporate a category within XBL where anyone could upload the maps they made, then they get dl'd into a "maps" folder on the 360/PS3....but I know that won't happen.

As people said, best mod's will be ported from PC...so, say this was Half-life and not Unreal, then they made CS, it got super popular, that would be a mod they would consider then packing up and putting on XBL for 360.....

Also, unlike your glorified PC, things don't "install" on 360, you just download and play....not download, install, delete install file, etc...

   by well (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » well

far cry allowed users to create maps and send them out...maybe UT3 could do the same(with just maps...don't see how mods could work this way.)

I think only the BEST mods...most downloaded/most liked should be sent over marketplace/psn

I don't want some crap 50kb modifications to clog up the browsing.

   by hmm (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » ??

why not just play on pc..... unless the game came with a free wireless keyboard and mouse


   Re: ? (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » ?

because its useless to spend 2K on a new computer instead of spending 400$-600$(depending on the console)

   Re: hmm indeed (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » What?

Why would you want to play with wireless garbage? If you play games get wired stuff, much better. But you don't know much about that do you? You're just another PC idiot running his mouth about "PC > 360". Get a life.
   by ACE (Unregistered) - 2007-02-18
 » Vietone is a homo!

......full stop

   by MGSROCKS1 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » About the mods

Microsoft has a section in Xbox Live Arcade where gamers who created games on XNA can put their games on Live for users to download. I don't see why the same can't go for Mods.


   Re: Ispy (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » Well,

Mark says mods will come from the Pc to the consoles. until he says mods can be create on the 360 and ps3, we have to take his word that mods will originate from the pc.

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   Re: MGSROCKS1 (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » I understand Ispy

I know that mods will be created on on the PC to the consoles. The same goes for XNA games which users create on their PC and the can post on Xbox Live Arcade for users to download. Thats why I'm saying I don't see why they can't do the same to the mods.

   Re: Ispy (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » Ok,

i thought you meant 360 gamers can create mods and put it on live for others to download. i see what you're saying now.
   by Jordan (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » 360 fanboys

sure what he says about gears is his opinion but any of your precious rating are an opinion and completely biased, why? because everything is biased and it wouldnt matter if he had a PS3 and the reason so many people have it is cause its the "best game ever on the 360" and since there isnt any good ones everyones gotta get that, its picture candy, and the controls arnt great but yet again you will say they are even if they wernt, and yes president bush, the idiot who sentenced 3000+ soldiers over oil and accomplished ummm absolutely nothing and the worst part is you dont care, and majority think different? thats why there was all these scandels in florida etc and the other man running for president said he WAS the president and its the 2nd time there has been a scandel regarding his re-election and now everyone hates him yet they elected him, and you would vote for him for ummmm what reasons? can you even name one...one thats a good point not just some random bs you post all over this page and he doesnt need a review to agree with him why would he need anything to agree with him, someone agreeing with him doesnt make his opinion valid or invalid and that lowest score of 80% you stated would be a more accurate rating and all those places that gave it perfect are complete BS because no game can be perfect just like nothing can be perfect and yes i agree with the movies, books etc everyone raves about people dont like but you guys go oooo 4 million people have gears of war it must be the best what about the millions upon millions upon millions of others? you guys just take in account your fanboyism or w.e you wanna call it, you guys are such hypocrites and you only listen to what you want 2 hear, why dont you take other peoples opinions into account ,after all they are the ones that matter for a game, not one persons review, its many people, and sure its a good game, but not everyone likes what you like, and sure its a good game but not everyone thinks its the best thing ever, you think all the 4 million who own it think its the absolute best game ever? no, most people i know can admit many flaws in it and yes these people own as do i and im sick of all these system war type comments coming from every site if you are so protective of a damn game just go play it and leave others alone, no one except other fanboys wants to hear you


   Re: PS34ME (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » Give it a rest!

This little rant of yours is rather pointless and badly written. Ever heard of paragraphs? Try using it next time! You're not getting your point across well by compressing everything into one HUGE block of text.

Next point, why didn't you post this as a reply to Vietone above? That's where it belongs!

As for your fanboy comments. It's very easy to dismiss things people say by calling people fanboys. It's cheap, easy and doesn't require any thought. However, if you READ the posts from tyrt and Game123, you will see that at NO POINT did they insult Matt! They didn't call him names, they didn't say he was a fanboy or anything like that. They simply disagreed with Matt's comments and gave their reasons why. In fact, they said nothing to suggest they are fanboys!

Lastly, I agree with tyrt and Game123 on the basis that Matt's comments doesn't belong here. This is not about Gears of War, this is about mods for UT3 on the 360 and PS3. That would be like someone saying how much MGS sucks on a thread about Virtua Fighter! Even if you agreed with the MGS comments (or some other game), it still would be off topic, and therefore would deserve to be challenged.

So I fail to see why you think Matt's opinions on Gears of War belongs here in a thread about mods for UT3, and I fail to see why you think those who replied to Matt are fanboys.
   by Freda (Unregistered) - 2007-02-19
 » Vote George

And of course Matt starting his Off topic comment with -

Just outta curiosity... how does a game with clunky controlls and the horrible idea of always hiding behind something only to pop out for a second to take a couple of shots get game of the year?

Hmm rather looks like this post was asking questions which was obviously going to get a negative response from people who enjoy the game. In fact it seems the whole post was based that way other than the last Three lines.

And Jordan.

Go check out how many Gears games are played on Xbox Live per day its the number One played game knocked Halo 2 off its spot and that had over Four billion Halo 2 games played on Live even back in December.

And I would vote for George to but Im not going to give my political opinion as you have just done on a post about Unreal.


   by Jordan (Unregistered) - 2007-02-20
 » bye bye

its funny how u didnt address my comments about bush yet u say ud vote for him, shows what kind of person u r, and well i dont waste my time like u perfecting my writing so people like u can be satisfied and if u dont think they r a fanboy for reading what they say then im afraid u r to because all they said was pro 360 and anti ps3 stuff, thats a fanboy, i dont care wat u think about calling someone a fanboy, and i didnt use a reply because i was responding to multiple people and u are really retarded because i never said they insulted him, i just pointed out things like every1 else did and sure they dont belong here but while they are here i said something and if u look at the comment ratings, all the anti ps3 stuff got high ratings hmmmmmm and anyhow im not even going bother with all that u said cause its just a complete waste of time, almost as much as a waste as u sitting there on ur ass perfecting ur spelling, im not going to come back here because its just pointless and for u freda i know how many people play it, i play it with them, i already said a lot of people play it, did u not read my comment? and doesnt matter how big it is, why are u even saying that? i never even denied that it has nothing to do with wat i said but anyways it knocked of halo 2? is that supposed to be a big deal cause halo 2 is a tiny game compared to other franchises...ummm halo didnt even make the top 25 franchises of all time..........but anyways moving on....youd vote for george? well i dont care, its ur country thats *****ed up not ours, crime upon crimes upon crimes, corruption, everyone can own a weapon, trillions of dollars in debt over stupid things like military power, the *****tiest of ***** medical services and uhhhh like i said before to the other guy...err dont know his name, wasnt important enough, u didnt even address wat i said bout bush, why? cause its probably true...well some of its fact but some of its not but anyhow i have a life so im going to go and never come back so while mr perfection about grammar wastes his time on the computer and never gets laid in his life, im going to go out with my gf, later



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